We went through a long process and did a lot of work in order to move to Seattle and thought that others might be able to benefit from our experiences. Moving can be complicated and there are lots of different ways to do it, but I'm hoping that some guidelines of how to move to Seattle based on our experiences will be helpful to people looking to move to Seattle who find our blog:
- Decide that Seattle's the best fit for you - Were pretty open-minded when we decided to find somewhere else to live. In order to make a decision, one place to get a lot of insight on a place is Sperling's Best Places, which has lots of informative statistics on US cities, including Seattle. You can compare statistics on Seattle to your hometown or other cities. There's also a forum where people offer their impressions of the city. Every city has its critics, so when reading criticism of Seattle, I had to weigh the negatives of Seattle with the negatives of other areas and consider that many people tend to exaggerate the negatives. We looked at the information and determined that Seattle seemed to fit us best.
- Be sure you can afford it - How much it will cost you to move depends on how far you're moving from, who does the actual moving work, and how much stuff you have to move. It cost us $3,264 (tax-deductible) for movers to move boxes of our stuff and all our furniture, gas to drive 2,673 miles, and 5 nights of hotel stay. There were also other moving expenses like buying curtains, one-time set up fees for utilities, and things like that. However, the biggest cost for us has been the higher cost of living here. We've written about the cost of living here before, but you may have a different experience depending on where you are moving from. You might save some money if you sell some things to move to a smaller apartment or sell a car to live in the city.
- Visit the city - Once we thought we might like to live in Seattle, we visited the city, not just as tourists, but as potential residents, shopping for a hometown. We were pretty sure we wanted to move here but visiting a place tells you a lot more than the internet does.
- Be sure you really want to move here - Get a better understanding of the city to make sure you want to live here. We've shared a lot of our observations of Seattle, comments about the weather, and differences we've noticed between Seattle and Texas, so some of those posts might help you. Some people have contacted me with questions and I usually help as much as I can.
- Determine to move - Prepare for giving up whatever you're leaving behind. I miss my family and friends, as well some other amenities of Texas. Be honest with yourself about whether you can handle it. It will be a difficult process to move and might not happen unless you're determined to do it. Also, once you've determined to move, you'll want to let people around you know. We could've done a better job of letting people know we were serious about moving. They may try to talk you out of it, but they'll appreciate being given advance notice and plenty of time to adjust to the idea. They may even become excited for you and try to help out.
- Decide if you need to get a job (or jobs) here before moving - We decided that one of us would have to find a job up here before moving. We didn't want to pay moving expenses without any income and with a higher cost of living, not knowing how long it would take for one of us to find a job. We decided that if one of us found a job up here, we could get by long enough on one income until the other one of us found a job. However, it worked out better than that, as my employer let me work from home up here until I found a job. If you can and want to afford several months without an income, or have income flexibility, then it might be easier to find a job while living here, but we didn't find distance to be an issue in our job searches.
- Start looking for a job (if you choose to wait, you can do this after step 13 below) - There are a lot of good resources on how to find a job, such as Quintessential Careers. Also, I shared some lessons I learned in my job search, which may be helpful for you. The point I would emphasize is to be patient and know that it may take a while to find a job.
Some people may want to lower their standards for a job to accept pretty much any offer with the goal of moving up here sooner and then plan to find the job they really want as shortly afterward as possible. That's a decision you'll have to make for yourself, but accepting a job that takes you in a different direction than you want to go may make it more difficult for you to get back on track with the job you want and may not look good to others (such as recruiters). - Start to think about where you'd like to live - So you know you want to move, but where do you really want to live? In the suburbs or the city? What are your major criteria for choosing an area to live? Safety? Walkability? Schools? We knew for a while that we wanted to live in an urban environment, but we didn't have a specific neighborhood in mind.
Two websites would've been very helpful if they had been available at the time. Firstly, we knew we wanted to live where we could walk places, so one website that would've helped us when looking for a neighborhood is the list of Seattle neighborhoods ranked by WalkScore walkability.
Secondly, Google Maps has a feature called StreetView that lets you see what pretty much any street in the city looks like. We could have used this to look around areas we'd heard of to see what it looked like. Were there old buildings? Residences? Industry?
You also may find our posts on different neighborhoods (e.g. Fremont, Capitol Hill, etc.) to be helpful as well.
Also, my parents got me the Newcomer's Handbook for Moving to and Living in Seattle, which offers a pretty good perspective on all the different neighborhoods.
You may want to start looking for a place to live in any neighborhoods that interest you to see if you can afford to live there. - Decide when you want to find a place to live - Do you want to start looking for a house or an apartment once you have a job offer? Are you going to live in a hotel in Seattle until you can find something? Your approach will determine when you should plan to visit Seattle next and how to plan that visit. We figured we'd have to visit Seattle for job interviews at some point and we decided that we would look for apartments during that visit. That worked out pretty well for us, though since we didn't know when we'd get a job offer and be ready to move in, the apartment managers often didn't know if they'd have anything available then.
- Plan to visit for job interviews - We wanted to do just one more trip to Seattle to do all of our job interviews (hoping at least one of them would result in an offer). When applying to jobs and companies, we mentioned in our cover letter that we would be in town on a certain date range. We didn't have plane tickets yet, but we just chose a date range so that employers could start to plan on it. This way, we were able (well, actually just Lesley) to line up several interviews and have them all on one visit. Lesley was also invited to interview with a few people that may not have interviewed her otherwise just because she was in town and they figured they should interview her while she was there. Alternatively, you could just wait and see what date the employers suggest, but then it may be more difficult to schedule multiple interviews during the same time. Once some employers responded to set up a time, we bought our plane tickets and planned to make a trip out of it.
- Look for some places to live (if you'll be doing this during your job interview trip, otherwise you can do it at another time) - We wanted to make our trip more productive by looking for places to live. We found it more difficult than expected to look for apartments, especially from a distance and not being able to move in until after we had a job lined up. You may have better luck finding a place to live depending on where and whether you're looking to buy or rent. Also, since then, I've found some better websites for apartment hunting, such as PadMapper and hotpads.com. For buying, Estately.com looks pretty good.
Lesley and I went together on the trip, which was helpful because I could look for apartments while she interviewed. I called apartment leasing offices to schedule visits with any places that appealed to us and took application forms so that we could fill them out and fax them back once we were back in Texas. I just asked my current employer for some vacation time and didn't really go into the details why we were traveling to Seattle. You may want to be honest about it or evasive, but that's your call. - Accept a job and plan to move - If your first trip doesn't result in a job offer, just keep working at it. I've found that once I start a job search, it's easier to maintain the momentum than to stop and start over. If you do get a job that you choose to accept, start planning to move.
One major step in this process is finding a mover (unless you're doing it all yourself). Choosing a mover is an unnecessarily complicated process, but we made our way through it. You'll want to choose one of the nationwide moving companies (e.g. Mayflower, Atlas, Bekins, United Van Lines, etc.) but you can't just choose one of them directly, you have to go through their local moving agent, which you can find on the national mover's website. Also beware; don't bother reading any reviews about the national moving company because they're all so negative that you may decide not to move after all. Seriously, though, but you will likely want to look up the moving agent with the Better Business Bureau, and there shouldn't be many negative marks. Then you'll request an estimate from that agent and they'll contact you to set up a time and go through your home to estimate how much all of your stuff will weigh. It's not the most convenient process because you'll also need to be home to go around with the movers and be sure to let them know what you're not planning to bring with you. We posted about our experience choosing a moving company. Moving during the winter is much cheaper than moving during the summer.
The fun part for us was planning our trip up here. Since our movers would take longer to get to Seattle than it would take us to drive, we planned check out as much as we could along the drive up. One thing that we had to consider was that even though we were leaving in late February (which almost feels like spring in Texas), there are a lot of mountains around here and even interstates can get snow enough to require tire chains or be closed.
You could also do this other ways, such as by flying here and having everything, including your car, shipped (though shipping a car is expensive), or selling your car and buying a new one when you get here. - Move! - We brought our most important stuff that we didn't want to lose with us and maybe ended bringing a little too much. There are a lot of logistical things to figure out, like what you should take with you, and how you're going to get by in your new home before your stuff arrives. If you're packing your own stuff, pack it all before the movers arrive so they can just load it. Also, pack carefully - we had all the original boxes for our dishes, so nothing was broken. And, we may be more obsessive than some people, but we labeled all boxes with a custom label with our name and address, the room it would go into in our new place, a priority indicating whether it should be loaded first (and unloaded last) based on how soon we'd need to access it after unloading, and a unique number that matched a spreadsheet summarizing what was in each box. Let the movers take as much as possible so that you don't have to take it with you.
Say "goodbye" to everyone you know and have fun on the journey to Seattle. Our trip up here was great. As we approached Seattle, we knew we'd have to buy some stuff (like paper towels and paper plates), so we bought them all on the way in Oregon because there's no sales tax there. It was nice to arrive to our new home and have somewhere to unload all of our stuff from the car, but we had to wait a few days for our furniture to arrive on the mover's truck (this could be a good time to go on a vacation, because dealing without a bed was difficult). We used the time to plan where everything would go so that it wouldn't be too difficult to unpack (though we ended up rearranging everything anyway). If you need to buy anything else, Craigslist is popular here. - Immerse yourself - When you get here, go for walks, take the bus, and drive around. Stop in local stores and eat at local restaurants (Seattleites tend to prefer local places over corporate chains). Learning our way around the neighborhood and the city over our first few weeks and experiencing local attractions was my favorite part of moving here.
Also, read and watch the local news. A lot of neighborhoods have their own neighborhood blogs, too. Here are some of my favorite Seattle websites. - Stay in contact with home - We shared our blog with people we know and also invested in a webcam so that we could still see other people when talking to them. The telephone and email are fine ways to keep in touch as well, and you may be able to fly back "home" and visit occasionally or have people visit you. Over time, Seattle will stop feeling like a new city and start feeling like your city. And if you end up not liking Seattle, just substitute another city's name for Seattle and repeat this whole process.
Of course there are lots of ways to move, but these are just some guidelines based on our experiences - you may have some different ideas about how to go through this process, and if so, feel free to share them in the comments.
23 comments:
Your blog is so helpful. I'm hoping to move to Seattle from Delaware and the distances are nearly the same. Given the change in the prices of tickets and moving though it looks like I'll have to spend another year saving up. But your blog really helped me figure a lot of things out that I hadn't thought about.
Hope to be there in a year. What a beautiful place.
I read the whole thing, it was a fun recap of the moving process.
Hi. I stumbled on this blog last week and it made me smile. My SO and I are in Texas (Houston 'burbs; been there for close to 20 yrs.) and our goal is to be in Seattle by December 2010. It's an overwhelming process and it's nice to know someone else pulled it off :)
I have two questions for you:
1. I know you have to be a bazillionaire to buy a house, but I'm not entirely clear about renting. In Houston, we rent a small one bedroom with an office for about $950/mo. From what I've seen on CraigsList and similar sites, it *looks* like you can find a smallish one bedroom in neighborhoods like Queen Anne, etc. for around that price. Or are those pretty much guaranteed to be dumps?
2. It sounds like you both got a lot of responses when you applied for jobs before you moved. Is there anything specific you did or said in your resumes/cover letters? I've started sending resumes out, just to test the waters, and it hasn't been super-encouraging so far.
oops. I meant to say 2011 in that previous post.
1. Apartment prices have fallen lately so I think you could find something decent at that price. Apartment buildings vary in age quite a bit more here than what I remember from Texas. There are small older buildings that have been renovated (or not), larger newer buildings, and plenty of others in between.
2. I've found in job searching that I have to work at it consistently for a while before I feel like I get any traction. I don't think there's anything specific I said when applying for jobs, just that I would be available to start work by "X". I used a date a couple months out by estimating how long it would take to quit my current job and move up there if they wanted to hire me. I got a few phone interviews, so you could suggest a phone interview in your cover letter.
I hope that helps, let me know if you have any other questions and good luck.
I have really enjoyed looking at your blog! My fiance and I took a vacation to Seattle last year and fell in love with the city. We are planning on moving out there in 9 months or so, hopefully. Thanks for taking the time and making this entire blog. We have enjoyed looking at it.
Thank you so much for your blog. I'm interviewing for a position in Seattle Monday, and I have been incredibly unsure about the whole process. I live literally on the other side of the country (Georgia... the only way I could get farther would be to move to Florida) so this would be a huge move, and I'm bookmarking your blog so that if this interview turns into an offer... I have your experience to draw from!
Thanks for all the great info on moving to Seattle. I wanted to ask if you might know what the job market is like for those of us that are 50 ish? I'm 49 now so I'll be 50 ish when I get there. Thanks again!
I really don't know much about the job market. I know Microsoft and Amazon are big employers in the region and their employees tend to be younger. But then Boeing's a big employer and I'd expect their employees to be a little more experienced. So, good question, but I really don't know the answer.
As a Seattle local who married a Texan and moved her up here, I can relate to your moving adventure. Also, as an employee of the real estate search site Estately.com, I'm glad to hear you recommend our site. There's a common sense to you Texans that is much appreciated. Good luck with life in Seattle.
My husband and I are preparing to move from Houston to Seattle, so your blog was a very happy discovery. Thank you! I will read it "cover to cover".
Your blog is very informative thank you very much keep up the good work I came across your blog on google and I would look out for blog for any info in Seattle ........... you guys rock,,,,, I got a Job in Seattle moving from Chi town Midwest hope it would be nice out there....
i have been there just for a day but ....Cant wait to experience living Seattle
I am so grateful for your blog! Hubby is fast tracking a relocation and looks like it is Phoenix to Seattle for us. The climates could not be more different, we own two homes here, one we rent out, and we will get a fraction of the size of our primary home in Seattle. Your blog is helping me with the logistics, of it all ! And AZ and TX are not too terribly different. Many blessing to your family and thanks again for the blog that is impacting our transition in a positive way.
Coming from AZ-Thank you for this information which I plan to use for moving. I have visited a couple of times and now my children are there in different cities, so this information coupled with their assistance will be helpful.
Hello, I'm trying to decide whether to accept a job offer and move to Seattle. I currently live in a safe, small town, and I am not used to big cities. Since my husband won't have a job there when we first arrive, we will only be able to afford 1,000-1,200/month for an apartment. Can you tell me whether you have felt safe since moving to Seattle? Do you think we will be able to find a safe place in a decent neighborhood for this price? Thanks! I really appreciate your blog!
I am so excited I found this! We are planning to move to Seattle from Texas in the next few months! This blog sounds sooooo helpful! Thank you!
My wife and I are planning to move to Seattle in the near future. I can safely say that our Chicago neighborhood(e.g. NOT the burbs) prices are at or near Seattle apartment rent. For example, nearby, comparable apartments are currently listed at $1500 in my neighborhood.
Hi Troy! I love your blog! I have a few questions for you.
I am graduating with my undergrad in a year and a half and am planning on moving to Seattle right after graduation. I'm planning on settling in Washington and would like to attend the University of Washington for grad school, so my line of thinking is if I establish residency I can get in-state tuition. So I am starting the apartment-hunting process and trying to look for general potential options. I am planning on saving up 6-8 months rent, move, and then look for a job in my field when I get there. Can you give me advice about renting from across the country? I am planning on visiting spring break before I graduate, but I'm assuming even if I found a place I loved in my price range there's a huge potential the apartment could get taken by someone else by the time I want to move. If I find something when I get there should I put down a payment and pay for it for a month or two before I move? Also how long did it take for you/your wife to find a job? Do you know of any medical device companies in the area? The best I can hope for is an internship coming right out of college but researching companies would be a good start right now. Also, I am planning on driving there like you and your wife did, did you have problems with parking? I am also worried about leaving my car on the streets/getting stolen. What was the switching insurance policy/switching plates process like? Did you keep your Texas car insurance until you got there? I'm sorry for all the questions but I could really use some advice from someone who has already been through the process, I will be moving across the country all on my own!
I thought of another question:
When sending resumés before I move, I know I should say in my cover letter my anticipation to move, ETA, etc, but say if I plan to move in say June, when should I send applications, because I don't want them to get immediately thrown out because they see I'm no immediately available for an interview. Is April too early? Too late?
Hi Maraquia,
Thanks for the questions. I talk about most of these topics in my new book, Move to the Place of Your Dreams: A Relocation Handbook. That website also describes consulting options that might be helpful for you.
Best wishes for your journey.
Great blog, extremely insightful!!
I know this is much later, but I just ran across your blog-what a coincidence! My husband and I are considering retiring in Seattle in about 2-3 years. We live in DFW area of Texas and are getting sick of the heat and humidity. We've visited Seattle several times because our son has been living in Seattle for a year now, after graduating from college. That's not the only reason we are considering Seattle, because we really enjoy the mountains and ocean view, not to mention the city itself. Although we are originally from Chicago, we haven't lived there since college, and would like to venture out somewhere different than Texas. We enjoy walking and hiking, and it is difficult to do either in Texas with the heat (or cold). We think that we can deal with the rain-we did live in England for 3 years! The major problem will be finding a place to live. We want a place about 2,000 sq ft, and would need to sell our house in Texas first. Of course, real estate is much more affordable in Texas, but we hope to be able to liquefy some other assets to be able to purchase a house or condo fairly close to the city. I appreciate any thoughts or suggestions!
Your story sounds familiar! :-)
It sounds like Seattle would be a good fit for you, though I will say that houses in the city tend to be smaller than what you find in Texas. There are many houses in the city that are less than 2,000 square feet, though plenty that are larger. You're more likely to find something large and affordable in the suburbs.
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